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where do americans learn to fire?
Did any of you read of the incredible story happened in Iraq?
Our secert services liberated the italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena, who had been kidnapped one month ago
On the way to Bagdad's airport, Us soldiers at a check point fired against their car.
The chief of the secret services team died, the hostage and other 2 people wounded.
Bush apologized to Berlusconi.
We al are very shocked here.
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What I heard is that the Italian Intel people were driving very fast towards the checkpoint, warning shots were fired and they did not stop so our guys opened up on them.
It is a bad ending to a bad situation for that poor woman.
Weird.
You also have to remember the madmen with the car bombs etc etc - it was in the middle of the night and the US troops are not keen on getting blown up by t's..
I heard it last night in a taxi-radio when i drove home from a party. My good mood left me immediately.
Not because the americans couldn't do such a thing. But simply because if they had wanted to, Sgrena wouldn't have survived.
It was an accident, americans in Iraq fire on everything that moves.
They killed 7 iraqi civilians only in the last week in this kind of accidents.
Very dramatic.
But I'm sure the Us government will do something to the idiots who made that.
If they were privates, they'll become seargents.
When a son of a b. killed 20 people on his american airplane in Cermis (Italy), in 1996, Us didn't do anything to that bastard.
Why should they do it now???
This is the kind of shit that make people round the world hate America.
And it's a shame for such a great country.
1. The soldiers at the checkpoint were not Delta Force but probably some REMF's
2. It was late and dark
3. They are scared of roadside bombs and homocide bombers
4. No one knew that the Italian journo had been released - except the italians
5. The italians were doing the secret squirrel angle - driving quickly and stopping for no one - because they know that they bad guys are out there.
6. They trust no on but italians at this point - and for good reason
So all of this talk that it was a hit on this commie rabble rouser is just pure bullshit. She is nothing more than a speck on the dust bin of history - just like the rest of us.
Quig, try to control yourself:spank::hehe::hehe:
There were two american officers at the airport waiting for Sgrena and the intelligence men.
Americans did know.
They were the ones to miss comunication, it seems.
anyway, after Cermis 1996, I don't expect nothing from american justice
:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:
Sean Hannity - what a complete fool drunk on Republican kool aid constantly!
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0307/p01s04-woiq.html
Something to think about.
I am very sorry for the Italian secret agent and also for the Italian journalist who not only was kidnapped etc, but had such a narrow and traumatic escape.
And this is all because of lack of communications!
The men responsible should pay up!
seriously though, HOMIcide bombers is FOXNEWS's new term for suicide bombers, and quig seems to have adapted to it quite smoothly.
I don't know what a roadside bomb is then. A "gotyourassafterallandmineremainsunscathed-icide" bomber
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050307-120131-5769r.htm
Salvo - is La Stampa right/center left. Agenda?
La Stampa is the Agnelli family's newspaper, it's quiet conservative, but not too close to Berlusconi.
Anyway, also a left winged newspaper like La Repubblica today wrote such a thing.
I think that if this is true, I mean, if Italian intelligence prefers to work "without informing American colleagues in Iraq who, if they had known about this, would have had to oppose it, to have impeded the operation,", well, impeding our services'operation is a very strange way to be allied....
Very good article. And very useful to understand the italian feeling about the story, especially that part
"In the past, the Italian left detested the security services, notorious for skulduggery and links to the neo-fascist right....."
Military secret services have always been felt by italians, especially left winged italians, as something dirty, since they do have a dirty past. But yesterday the leader of communist party said that "men like Calipari make us change our mind about our intelligence", that was historical
Salvo, what would you estimate conservatively the pro vs. con percentages of your countries involvement in Iraq? 80/20 con is my guess. There already IS a rift whether or not the Italian government chooses to recognize it.
The details of incidents like this are always cloudy but the irony of the situation is what's causing the outrage because the mission was bankrupt to begin with so every issue such as this will circle back the the 'What are we doing there again' question. Had something like this happened in early 2002 in Afghanistan or 1991 in Iraq do you think the reaction would be different? Certainly so.
We didn't fight, we went there after, theorically to keep peace, but unfortunately peace wasn't there at all and our soldiers had been killed in Nassisiya.
The large majority of italians (80-90%) were against the war, and many people want our soldiers back...
Anyway, this tragedy focused italians'attention on something else, the relationship between our country and Usa.
And, in fact, many politicians asked a "Sigonella like" reaction from Berlusconi.
For those who don't know that story, the day that italian carabinieri and Delta Force were about to fight:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A731701
Italians are different. They should've put Berlusca down like we spaniards did with Aznar. He may now go eat barbecue with his friend Bush in Texas, but he doesn't represent his nation any more. You have to turn down this fascist thief and get your soldiers back. You know there's no peace to maintain now Salvo.