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1.0 Predict the following exactly and gain points each round:
a. Pole getter - 2 points (pole getter is defined as the one who is on pole
when the race is started)
b. Winner of GP - 4 points
c. Second in GP - 3 points
d. Third in GP - 2 points
e. Fourth in GP - 1 point
f. 1st car out after the race has started under the green lights whether
through DNF or DNS (through stalling for eg.) or through DQ (by black flag
for eg.) - 1 point (point given even if DQ is appealed)
g. Name the ex-Minardi driver who finishes in the highest
position in the race amongst all ex-minardi drivers - 2 points

All predictions above must be EXACTLY correct. Should any driver pull out
before the race weekend, his replacement is not automatically substituted in
the bets...the bettors MUST exercise the edit right as provided in clause 6
two days before race day (e.g. if race day is on Sunday, final edit right is
day-stamp of post Friday).

2.0 Prize for the winner with most points at end of season:
a. the glory of being the season's Forzaminardi.com champion...plus whatever additional prize R-J
or the others may want to throw in. :-)

3.0 The organisers are manlio27 and FactyCrab.

4.0 The qualifying and race results FIRST published by formula1.com will be
used to judge the bets placed unless the referees by a majority decision decide to use the amended results following any steward decisions made post race. No appeal to organisers' decision which is

5.0 If the organisers cannot make a decision, they will consult R-J and/or
Neil_s and/or Minardi4eva who shall act as referees.

6.0. All bets must be submitted in the above 1.0 a to g order and must be
submitted before the first quali session starts. Any bets submitted after the
first quali starts will be invalid. All bets MUST be in by before the first
quali but no editing of any bets placed can be done after the end of friday
practices (or in the case of Monaco after Thursday's practices). This is
because when a post is edited, there is no time stated when such edits have
been done, it just says which date the edit was done.

7.0 DQ means disqualification during the race. so any disqualification
resulting from and/or with not starting the race does not fall under this description of

8.0 Any additional rules can be added to aid clarity but not to change the
bets format and the points as and when deemed neccessary.

9.0 The referees of this 2010 ForzaMinardi Challenge are FactyCrab, manlio27,
Forzaminardi, Neil_s and Minardi4eva (if Neil, R-J, Facty and 4eva agree). A majority decision
from these 5 is required to settle any dispute. If the dispute concerns the
referee's bet, then the other 4 referees must adjudicate and arrive at a majority


RJ, can you please top this post?


  • How about adding a new scoring element to incorporate the 2 new teams.


    h) Name the driver of the new team that will finish highest (eligable drivers Legohead, Train Driver, Glock and Di Grassi Junior High) 1 point.

    Its just a thought and there is always a danger of one team being so slow (Lotus) or one team that fails to finish (Virgin) most of the races and your options will be obvious. But what does everyone think?
  • he he back to the competition!
    I would say let's not complicate it steam, but that's my op only!!
  • Fair enough Neil it was only a thought.
  • yeahhh, trust manlio to put this up. thanks for remembering me.

    ok for item 2 prize: here's one for whatever it is worth:

    2 ski sets at putrajaya waterski & wakeboard centre worth 30 Euros. (getting an airasia flight for a worthwhile holiday to malaysia is only 350 euros but on your own of course). see www.waterski.com.my for location in "contact me" page.

    above prize transferable to any other party (within the 6 months from date) against handing over the email letter of prize winning authentication.
  • a. pole: hamilton
    b. win: button
    c. 2nd: vettel
    d. 3rd: massa
    e. 4th: alonso
    f. 1st out: di grassi
    g. best minardi: alonso
  • that's a great prize, facty!
  • a. pole: Vettel
    b. win: Vettel
    c. 2nd: Alonso
    d. 3rd: Webber
    e. 4th: Shumacher
    f. 1st out: Di Grassi
    g. best minardi: Alonso
  • Pole: Hamilton
    1st: Alonso
    2nd: Button
    3rd: Rosberg
    4th: Massa
    1st Out: Senna-Lalli
    Ex Minardi:- Alonso
  • Pole: Vettel
    1st: Hamilton
    2nd: Alonso
    3rd: Massa
    4th: M$
    First out: Kovy
    Ex-Minardi: Alonso

    I propose to avoid complicating the issue by inserting the item about new drivers NOW. But, considering that there are only 3 ex-Minardi drivers left, with cars at potentially completely different levels, I suggest that, if Alonso's superiority over Webbo should be clear, we can change the rule after 3 races, to replace the best ex-Minardi with the best new-car driver.

    Just about new cars, it seems that Hispania RT cars are not yet in Manama.......this might turn into a joke (like US F1). The problem is F1 is not a joke, but there are lives at risk. So, I really hope the joke not to be transformed, soon, into something very bad, that may happen when teams not up-for-it try to race in F1 (Simtek/Ratzenberger, anyone?)

    The real joke is that Bernie said TOIT was right (!!!), and that the 45M$ budget limit is unrealistic.....as though it was only Max who wanted it, and he's instead a spring chicken.....I guess he has realized that a grid with 18-20 cars is poor, but a grid with 26-28 cars, out of which 6 or 8 have problems getting a lap completed, with 3-4 teams with totally unrealiable (safety-wise) cars and without the budget to complete the season, is not the solution.......I could have told him before!
  • I would vote FOR the inclusion of best new team driver, to replace best ex Minardi.

    Round 1

    Pole - Alonso

    1st - Alonso
    2nd - Hamilton
    3rd - Vettel
    4th - Webber

    1st DNF - Liuzzi

    Best ex Minardi - Alonso
  • Pole Massa
    1st Massa
    2nd Alonso
    3rd Webber
    4th Button
    1st DNF Glcok
    Best ex MInardi Alonso
  • Pole: Button
    1st: Alonso
    2nd: Massa
    3rd: Hamilton
    4th: Vettel
    1st Out: Webber
    Ex Minardi:- Alonso
  • Pole: N. Rosberg
    1st: F. Alonso
    2nd: F. Massa
    3rd: S. Vettel
    4th: M. Schumacher
    1st Out: B. Senna
    Ex Minardi:- F. Alonso
  • only 8 laid bets with 7 minutes to quali? some must be giving us some handicap eh?
  • I vote we just stop the competition now - no use going on???? :)
  • Pos/Pos 2009/Name/After Rd. 1
    1. 6. PistonBroke 12
    2. 2. JumpeySpyder 9
    3. 7. Minardi4eva 6
    3. 8. Steamdrivenhammer 6
    5. 9. Manlio27 4
    5. 5. Telstar 4
    7. 1. Neil_s 2
    7. 4. Factycrab 2
    9. 3. SuperRoo 0
    9. 10. Stan 0
    9. 11. forzaminardi 0

    Medals Table after Rd 1
    Pos/Pos 2009/Gold/Silver/Bronze
    1. 3. PistonBroke 1 - -
    2. 2. JumpeySpyder - 1 -
    3. 5. Minardi4eva - - 1
    3. 8. steamdrivenhammer - - 1
    5. 1. Neil_s
    5. 4. SuperRoo
    5. 6. Stan
    5. 7. Factycrab
    5. 8. Manlio27
    5. 10. Telstar
    5. 11. forzaminardi

    congrats, pistonbroke!!

    [Edited on 15-3-10 by FactyCrab]
  • thanks facty, you do a wonderful job to keep us informed also with the medals!!
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