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No speek a the engrish


  • Indeed, by popular demand i have agreed to launch a Spanish version of this forum. i was told that there are lots of spanish (speaking; anglophone, francophone, is there such a thing a hispanophone?) people visiting this site who don't speak english but have a great deal to contribute... well... there you go

    other updates: thanks to salvo there is a cv of Paolo Barilla in the Minardiclopaedia, there will also be a shinji nakano one soon, have to do a little more research on him though

    i finally found the code that generates the automated email when you use the contact form. the text of that email was German which always triggered an outcry from the recipient "i have to tell you that I don't speak Danish" which was extremely annoying for me. Now i've found it and changed it to english, thanks god.
  • Considering registration is diasabled, the 2 spanish speakers here will have to do....
  • my dear, those things have been dealt with, I'm not that retarded you know...
  • Congratulations on thas latest forum


    fuerza minardi
  • This board is getting stranger by the day. Now I can't even edit my signature anymore. Afraid I'll put something in it RJ?
  • Who is buying the Rioja and Cava for the grand opening?
  • i don't know what's the reason for that, many have had problems with that, didn't single anyone out!
  • Who is buying the Rioja and Cava for the grand opening?
    Cava is for Catalan people only. Madrid people boycott it now !!!:P
    was told that there are lots of spanish (speaking; anglophone, francophone, is there such a thing a hispanophone?)
    Hispanic or Hispano !!!!!!:)
  • Clown what's your problems with Hispanophones m8?
    Bloody aussies, Quig's right in the end when he talks about these ferign devils :spank:

    Roberto-Juan roolz :cool:

    [Edited on 8/2/2005 by yokosuna]
  • Is a Hispanophone like a telephone or a microphone?

    BTW - Minardus - I had a great time in both Madrid, Nerja/Malaga region and Catqalan...why can't you people all get along?

    Enough Cava and I could get the Israelis and the palestinians singing together!
  • It's in our blood, man !!!

    The temprament !!!
  • Well, can any of the US members here tell me what language the President is speaking?

    I just cannot understand him!

    Consider this exchange at Friday's Tampa event, where a woman (whose question was somehow not transcribed by the White House) asked how the private accounts would fix "the red problem." She was referring to Bush's snazzy charts illustrating what he said was Social Security's "red ink."

    Here's Bush's response, in its entirety:

    "Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to what has been promised.

    Funny? or just plain appalling that someone who is trying to change the world can't express ideas lucidly!

    This aussie doesn't always agree with the French, but if Bush won't hear criticism at home, the Aussies, the French, the Germans, the English, and others will have to say it straight.

    The problem is he won't understand!

    Is the US conducting classes in Bush speak?

    [Edited on 9/2/2005 by Dr_Spin]
  • Yep Bush is a complete embarassment to the English language. Here in Texas I have not heard anyone butcher the English language as bad as him. I don't know of any Bush speak classes but I sure hope there arn't any.

    Since he will not understand or listen to criticism we can only wait till his 4 years are up and hope that Jeb Bush doesn't make a run.
  • Doc - could not agree with you more. Bush's inability to convey his ideas in something that resembles English ESPECIALLY on the issue of so called Social Security is infuriating. The other day he said that working three jobs is "uniquely American"

    All in all he is better than his previous rivals but that says little if anything.

    Thank God Condi speaks English.
  • Yoko: WTF are you on? :P :rolleyes:
  • Emmett,

    I think you and I disagree about Clinton's abilitiies.
    Bill was/is an eloqent speaker, who also had a brain.

    Of course he saw differences and nuances that most us didn't, like when sex isn't sex, but in my view that is almost inconsequential when compared with Bush's blunders.

    Condi? Wait and see, I would say.

    If someone of Powells stature couldn't stand up to Bush, will a nervous young apprentice?

    Still, .... Bush and Condi's unbelievable luck continues!
    What will happen when the shit finally hits the fan in the Whitehouse bubble?

    I'd say there are a lot of stories yet to be told!
    The reality check must be coming!

    ..by the way "Gong Xi Fa Cai" everyone, or at least to the 2 billion who uinderstand CNY.

  • rooster reporting in M:-)
  • Yoko: WTF are you on? :P :rolleyes:
    You better thank god I don't speak Bushenglish :angel:
  • Spin - have to agree with you about the Hillbilly Whorehopper - that boy could sell poop to pigs! Ice to eskimos.

    He could talk the pants off - well maybe I should say the thong off just about anybody.

    He was and still is great with words but policy? Thats another story for another time.

    However, I don't know if you saw him at the Stupid Bowl - I mean the Super Bowl but he does not look too well. I know he had the heart surgery and all but he still does not look like he is 100%.

    Clown - I am not on anything. I had to support him in order to keep that lunatic kerry as far from the White house as possible.

    Yoko - you will be re programmed and your Bushenglish lesssons will begin soon.

  • Yoko - you will be re programmed and your Bushenglish lesssons will begin soon.
    Yikes! May I choose Governator's dialect at least?

    I'll be bak! Pull die thong, fraulein! Now suk and then vote for Arnie
  • Watched a little of that Fareignheit 911 this morning incidently.
    Now I think the bloke is a complete asshole and some of the facts that Moore brings up are very disturbing and true (or else he would have been sued by now), however I have to agree with RJ on this one....I genuinely think this film is nothing short of total character assassination. Moore is really dumb. He has come up with some very valid points but he loses those valid points by editing the piece with such bias it's almost venomous....
    Moore was his own worst enemy making this film. Had he kept his valid points and tried to offer viewpoints from both sides he would, in my opinion, have cost GW Bush a lot more than a headache.
  • Ladies & Gentlemen, enjoy that informed and reasoned post from Matt; they come but twice a year.
    Well, that's it for '05
  • Watched a little of that Fareignheit 911 this morning incidently.

    Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 911
    by David Kopel
    Independence Institute
    If all you know is what the mainstream media tell you, then you
    are living in a world of illusions. But you can’t free your mind if
    you merely replace one set of manipulative illusions with another
    set of manipulative illusions. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a twisted,
    dishonest, paranoid, and hateful fantasy. Learn the facts, and
    make up your own mind.
    The list below is a summary of a much longer report, which is
    available for free at www.davekopel.org. The report also discusses
    many other issues about the movie.
    There are lots of good reasons why people have chosen to vote
    against (or for) the re-election of George Bush. And there are
    lots of good reasons why patriotic Americans have decided to
    oppose (or support) the war in Iraq. One thing that all the good
    reasons have in common is that they are based on facts. In a
    democracy, we should try to convince our fellow citizens with
    facts and logical reasoning. To manipulate people with frauds
    and propaganda is to attack democracy itself.
    The Gore “victory” rally isn’t celebrating a Florida win. It
    was held before the polls had even opened.
    Like all the other networks, Fox mistakenly said that Gore
    had won in Florida. The first network to retract the Florida
    mistake was CBS, not Fox.
    A 6-month study by a consortium of major newspapers
    shows that Bush would have won the Florida recount under
    any of the terms which Gore sought in his lawsuits.
    Investigation by the Palm Beach Post and others shows
    that race was not a reason why election officials mistakenly
    disqualified some voters because they were incorrectly
    thought to have felony convictions.
    Bush’s Presidency before 9/11 was not in serious trouble.
    No commentator said that he looked like a lame-duck president.
    Congress had passed his #1 bill (the tax cut) and was
    on the way to passing his #2 bill (the education bill). The
    scene at the end of the movie in which Bush tells a rich audience
    “I call you my base,” was from an October 2000 charity
    fund-raiser. Both Gore and Bush spoke at the fund-raiser
    and, as is the custom at the fund-raiser, made fun of themselves.
    “In his first eight months in office before September
    11th, George W. Bush was on vacation, according to the
    Washington Post, forty-two percent of the time.” As the
    Washington Post reported, the figure includes weekends, and
    includes time in “vacation locations” such as Camp David,
    where Bush was working—as when he met with Tony Blair.
    In the golf course scene (about the middle of the movie),
    Bush had just heard about a terrorist attack on Israel. He
    called the press together to make a quick statement condemning
    the terrorism against Israel. He was not speaking
    about attacks on the United States.
    There is no evidence that Bush did not read the Aug. 6,
    2001 Presidential Daily Briefing about al Qaeda.
    He never claimed that the title’s “vagueness” was an
    excuse for not reading it.
    The Briefing did not say “said that Osama bin Laden was
    planning to attack America by hijacking airplanes.” It said
    that the FBI has “not been able to corroborate” such a threat.
    The Saudis left the U.S. only after air travel was opened
    for the general public.
    According to Richard Clarke and the September 11
    Commission, Clarke personally approved the Saudi departures,
    and the decision went no higher in the chain of command.
    Moore lied to a TV reporter in claiming that Fahrenheit
    discloses Clarke’s decision to the audience. Clarke called the
    Saudi exit material in Fahrenheit a “mistake” by Moore.
    Contrary to what Fahrenheit claims, the September 11
    Commission found that many Saudis were asked “detailed
    questions” before being allowed to leave.
    James Bath did not invest bin Laden family money
    in Bush’s energy company Arbusto. He invested his own
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    Bath’s name was blacked-out from an Alabama National
    Guard record released by the White House—as required by
    federal law, which prohibits the disclosure of health-related
    personal information.
    Prince Bandar has way too much influence on the U.S.
    government, as Fahrenheit shows, but American coddling of
    the Saudi tyranny is a long-standing bi-partisan tradition, not
    a Bush invention.
    Harken Energy: Bush only sold the stock after company
    lawyers told him it was OK.
    The reason that Bush “beat the rap” was because there
    was no evidence he had engaged in insider trading.
    The Carlyle Group is not a Bush playground. Many Bush
    opponents are investors, including George Soros.
    The Bush administration dealt Carlyle a huge financial
    blow by canceling the Crusader, one of the few weapons
    cancellations in the Bush administration.
    The bin Ladens dropped out of Carlyle before the stock
    sale. Of the 1.4 billion that the Saudis invested in companies
    with Bush connections, the vast majority of the money was
    invested in Carlyle before George H.W. Bush joined the firm.
    Craig Unger claims that the Saudis have $860 billion
    invested in the U.S. The figure appears in his book House of
    Bush, House of Saud, but neither of Unger’s cited sources
    support such a large figure.
    Moore claims that the Saudis “own 7% of America.”
    But even if you believe Unger’s fictitious $860 billion figure,
    the Saudis own only about 7% of total foreign investment
    in America, which is over 10 trillion dollars. Only if all of
    America were owned by foreigners could Moore’s claim be
    The Saudi embassy does not receive special protection.
    It is not the only foreign embassy which is guarded by the
    Secret Service. An international treaty signed by the
    requires the U.S. to protect any embassy which asks for
    26. Moore’s insinuation that Bush runs U.S. foreign policy
    according to Saudi instructions is contradicted by the
    Afghanistan invasion (which toppled the Taliban regime
    which the Saudis strongly supported), and by the Iraq War
    (which the Saudis opposed, in part because Iraqi oil will
    compete with Saudi oil).
    As Governor of Texas, Bush never met with Taliban representatives.
    The proposed Unocal pipeline was supported by the
    Clinton administration, but Unocal abandoned the pipeline
    idea in 1998.
    The new Afghani government has signed a protocol to
    build a pipeline, but it is an entirely different pipeline, in a
    location hundreds of miles distant from the Unocal proposal.
    Construction has not begun on the new pipeline.
    Although Moore claims that “Enron stood to benefit” from
    the pipeline, Enron has never had any participation in either
    The Bush administration did not “welcome” Taliban diplomats
    in March 2001, but instead condemned them for failing
    to hand over Osama bin Laden.
    Despite Moore’s pose in the movie, he opposed the
    Afghanistan War, and—in December 2002—claimed that
    Osama bin Laden might be innocent.
    In claiming that the Afghanistan invasion was a mere
    ruse to protect the Saudis, Moore omits the results of liberation
    in Afghanistan: destruction of al Qaeda training camps,
    the creation of free elections, more freedom for women, and
    the homecoming of 1.5 million refugees from the Taliban.
    The various quotes about Bush administration cooperation
    with the September 11 Commission have been re-
    sequenced to create a false impression.
    In July 2003, Chairman Kean complained about lack of
    cooperation. In February 2004, Bush said that the White
    House had given extraordinary cooperation. Kean agreed,
    and praised the White House for providing “unprecedented”
    John Ashcroft didn’t really lose a Senate election to a
    “dead guy.” Mel Carnahan died in a plane crash a few weeks
    before the election, and the Missouri Governor had promised
    to appoint Carnahan’s widow Jean Carnahan if voters
    pulled the lever for Mel Carnahan.
    The FBI did not “know” about al Qaeda suspects who
    were attending flight training schools. The information was
    never passed above the level of one field office.
    Ashcroft did not cut overall counter-terrorism funding.
    He only proposed a one-year cut in a particular program that
    already had two years of unspent money.
    Page 2

    Rep. Porter Goss says he has an “800 number,” and the
    Fahrenheit caption says “He’s lying.” Goss does have a toll-
    free number, although the prefix is 877.
    Moore say Saddam’s Iraq “had never murdered a single
    American citizen.” In fact, Saddam paid for terrorist bombers
    in Israel who murdered Americans, along with people of
    other nationalities. Saddam also sheltered the American-kill-
    ing terrorist Abu Nidal, and the bomb-maker for the 1993
    World Trade Center bombings.
    In addition, Saddam ordered assassination attempts
    against former President Bush and against U.S. diplomats in
    the Philippines.
    Moore claims that the Saddam regime “never threatened
    to attack the United States.” In fact, in 1997 the regime
    publicly ordered: “American and British interests, embassies,
    and naval ships in the Arab region should be the targets of
    military operations and commando attacks by Arab political
    forces.” On the first anniversary of September 11, Saddam's
    regime called for suicide attacks on Americans.
    Moore claims that there was no connection between
    Iraq and al Qaeda. In fact, there is an extensive record of
    collaboration although—as the September 11 Commission
    announced—there is no proof that Saddam participated
    beforehand in al Qaeda attacks on America.
    Fahrenheit shows Condoleezza Rice saying, “Oh, indeed
    there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11.” The
    audience laughs derisively. Here is what Rice really said on
    Nov. 28, 2003:
    "Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened
    on 9/11. It’s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself
    and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about
    what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that
    lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.
    This is a great terrorist, international terrorist network that
    is determined to defeat freedom. It has perverted Islam
    from a peaceful religion into one in which they call on it
    for violence. And they’re all linked. And Iraq is a central
    front because, if and when, and we will, we change the
    nature of Iraq to a place that is peaceful and democratic
    and prosperous in the heart of the Middle East, you will
    begin to change the Middle East...."
    44. Moore portrays pre-liberation Iraq as a happy nation
    of kite-flying and weddings. In fact, a sixth of the population
    had fled Saddam’s tyranny. The United Nations and
    Amnesty International condemned “the systematic, widespread
    and extremely grave violations of human rights and
    of international humanitarian law by the Government of
    Iraq, resulting in an all-pervasive repression and oppression
    sustained by broad-based discrimination and widespread terror.’’
    The only Iraqi casualties which Moore shows are civilians,
    although military casualties far outnumbered civilian.
    When showing pictures of buildings being blown up,
    Moore does not reveal that many of them were military
    buildings, and civilians were never allowed anywhere near
    A humorous sequence making fun of tiny countries in the
    Iraq liberation Coalition does not even mention the major
    countries in the Coalition, such as the U.K., Australia, Italy,
    and Japan.
    Not a deceit, but mean-spirited and exploitive: The footage
    of the funeral of U.S. Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone at
    Arlington National Cemetery appears without his family's
    permission, and over their vehement objection. Major Stone
    strongly believed in the Iraq mission, as does his family.
    The footage of Massachusetts National Guardsman Peter
    Damon, who is undergoing therapy at Walter Reed Army
    Medical Center is also used without his permission.
    Despite Moore’s claims, American media have not been
    mindlessly supportive of the Iraq war. For example, Peter
    Jennings has been extremely critical. The evidence that
    Moore offers to portray Jennings as a war supporter is a clip
    of Jennings reporting in April 2003 that Saddam’s army had
    collapsed—which was true.
    The scene of American soldiers making fun of a man
    underneath a sheet is not torture of a prisoner of war. They
    are making fun of a drunk who passed out in the street.
    Moore reports that Bush proposed closing some
    Veteran’s hospitals. But he also proposed opening other
    veteran’s hospitals.
    Bush once opposed renewing a special bonus of $75/
    month for soldiers in “imminent danger zones.” Moore
    claims that Bush proposed cutting combat soldiers’ pay by
    1/3; but a soldier's pay and benefits is over $27,000 per year,
    even at low enlisted grades.
    While making false claims about a Bush pay cut, Moore
    omits the fact that Bush sought and won a 3.7% military pay
    raise in 2003.
    Page 3

    Moore claims that only one Congressman has a child in
    Iraq. Actually, two do. (Democratic Senator Tim Johnson of
    S.D., and Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter of California.)
    Also, John Ashcroft has a son on a naval ship in the Persian
    Fahrenheit deceptively cut the footage of Rep. Mark
    Kennedy to make it look like Kennedy rebuffed Moore’s
    request to help enlist Congressional children. In fact,
    Kennedy said it was a good idea, and offered to help.
    Fahrenheit shows Rep. Michael Castle walking past
    Moore. But Rep. Castle is childless.
    Based on Census Bureau data, Congressional families are
    more likely than other families to have children serving in
    Moore calls Flint, Michigan, “my hometown.” In fact,
    he grew up in Davison, a much wealthier and much whiter
    In Fahrenheit, Moore pretends to support our troops.
    But in fact, he supports the enemy in Iraq-the coalition of
    Saddam loyalists, al Qaeda operatives, and terrorists controlled
    by Iran or Syria-who are united in their desire to
    murder Iraqis, and to destroy any possibility of democracy in
    Iraq. Here is what Moore said on April 14, 2004, about the
    forces who are killing Americans and trying to impose totalitarian
    rule on Iraq: “The Iraqis who have risen up against
    the occupation are not ‘insurgents’ or ‘terrorists’ or ‘The
    Enemy.’ They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and
    their numbers will grow—and they will win.” Do you really
    think that someone who wants Iraq to be ruled by Islamist or
    Ba’athist tyranny, and who deliberately kills innocent civilians
    with car bombs, is like the American Minutemen?
    As reported in the trade journal Screen Daily, affiliates
    of the Iranian and Syrian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah
    are promoting Fahrenheit 9/11, and Moore’s Middle East
    distributor, Front Row, is accepting the terrorist assistance:
    “In terms of marketing the film, Front Row is getting a boost
    from organizations related to Hezbollah which have rung up
    from Lebanon to ask if there is anything they can do to support
    the film. And although [Front Row’s Managing Director
    Giancarlo] Chacra says he and his company feel strongly that
    Fahrenheit is not anti-American, but anti-Bush, ‘we can’t go
    against these organizations as they could strongly boycott the
    film in Lebanon and Syria.’” (Nancy Tartaglione, “Fahrenheit
    to be first doc released theatrically in Middle East,” Screen
    Daily.com, June 9, 2004. The story is discussed in Samantha
    Ellis, “Fahrenheit 9/11 gets help offer from Hezbollah,” The
    Guardian (London), June 17, 2004.)
    Slate.com (6/24/04) followed up on the story, and reported:
    “Gianluca Chacra, the managing director of Front Row
    Entertainment, the movie’s distributor in the United Arab
    Emirates, confirms that Lebanese student members of
    Hezbollah ‘have asked us if there’s any way they could support
    the film.’ Chacra was unfazed, even excited, about their
    offer. ‘Having the support of such an entity in Lebanon is
    quite significant for that market and not at all controversial.
    I think it’s quite natural.’”
    Do you think it’s patriotic to accept help from a terrorist
    organization which has killed and kidnapped hundreds of
    Americans, which works with al Qaeda and other terrorists,
    and which is currently aiding the killing of American soldiers
    and Iraqi civilians? American patriotism can include presenting
    honest arguments against a particular American military
    policy. Hateriotism is the spreading of vicious lies against
    American soldiers and in favor of tyrants.
    It’s not unpatriotic to criticize a war or particular wartime
    policies. But how many patriots do you know who take aid
    from terrorists who kill Americans?
    This essay comes from the Independence Institute, a think-
    tank in Colorado which is founded on the principles of the
    Declaration of Independence (www.independenceinstitute.
    org). The author, Dave Kopel, is a life-long Democrat who
    endorsed and voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. He supports
    some but not all aspects of the current war on terror.
  • The list below is a summary of a much longer report,
    Now I KNOW you're taking the piss!!!!
  • Quig, I hope you actually copied and pasted that !!!!!;)
  • The fascinating thing about american politics is how polarised it is.

    Left and Right can't even agree on what the 9-11 commission said! FNC for example is adamant that the conclusion was that there was a link between Al Qaida and Iraq while the left says there was no link at all.

    Somehow there seems to be very little common ground.

    However I think America is up for a massive shift to the right as recent events indicate (HRClinton reaching out to the pro life lot, Liebermann gaining support)

    I don't even think that abortion would be a topic in Europe, maybe in Poland or Ireland, but give them another 10 years and things will change.

    Funny little country America is. That funny mixture of entrenched moralist values and 16 year-olds with fake boobs and nose jobs.
  • Quig, I hope you actually copied and pasted that !!!!!;)
    I actually have it memorized.
  • Only in America
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